Curse

Feathermoore Rep · Oct 24, 2010, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by revelation

It's a fun change, good teams can't farm noobs, and gives everyone a chance to win. Also more costumes = win.

Smoke and mirrors. Smoke and mirrors. Thats all costumes are. They are aesthetics. Do nothing. No one playing stops in the middle of the game to look at their armor.

When good players, can't win with skill something is broken. Its not farming noobs. Its just being better. If you don't like losing, get better or stop playing. Otherwise don't complain when you get beat by better people. Say "gg" and go on your way.

@drkn: Sure the elitist pvp attitude is a negative one. But just because you dislike bad players doesn't make you elitist.

I'm all for not being elitist into pvp. You can't force that you stop you. You have to keep playing. Thats the only way to get better.

CB isn't elitist. There isn't a keep the low ranked players down because they are bad. Its simply: those that are good at it, those that are learning, and those are just bad/having fun.

That last group are the ones that good players despise playing with. It only takes one person to lose a game. And when you play to win, its upsetting to know your the better player and still lose. Team gameplay should always allow better players to win. That just how games work, and that's why so many players are mad at the change to CB.

Bob_ftw · Oct 24, 2010, 08:52 PM // 20:52

The main argument for this new system in CB is that they see this format as mindless fun? I don't see how losing can be fun. If all you seek is to push buttons mindlessly, you should go do just that, but do it somewhere where you will not hinder the enjoyment of other players. After all, pushing buttons is just pushing buttons; so why do you care about where you do it if you do not care about competition or winning.

ilr · Oct 25, 2010, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep

Smoke and mirrors. Smoke and mirrors. Thats all costumes are. They are aesthetics. Do nothing. No one playing stops in the middle of the game to look at their armor.

When good players, can't win with skill something is broken. Its not farming noobs. Its just being better. If you don't like losing, get better or stop playing. Otherwise don't complain when you get beat by better people. Say "gg" and go on your way.

Question: What is "smoke and mirrors" an analogy for exactly?
I don't follow how that supports your point... and yes, I stopped several times to admire them actually.
And isn't "get better or stop playing" a little assumptive and also being abusive?

In either case, this is not an exlcusive competitive format. It is there to celebrate a Holiday, and I'd assume; that means everyone should feel welcomed, right? Everyone did afterall pay the same amount of money for it so no one should be getting rolled all the time just b/c there's better players out there. Are you the best player in the game? What if everyone else could easily roll you again and again until you rage quit as well? Or would you never give up? I've heard this argument before and it doesn't wash. Like it or not, Anet added more Randomness; and Randomness is injected into every good pvp game on the market for a reason: You need customers to keep coming back by making them feel welcome in as much of the content as you can manage. And there can't be nearly as many repeat customers if the better players gang up on them every single time until they quit before getting better.

Sharkinu · Oct 25, 2010, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep

When good players, can't win with skill something is broken.

If that "good player" can't win now just because this new shuffle system then that player is not really that good.

Feathermoore Rep · Oct 25, 2010, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by ilr

Question: What is "smoke and mirrors" an analogy for exactly?
I don't follow how that supports your point... and yes, I stopped several times to admire them actually.
And isn't "get better or stop playing" a little assumptive and also being abusive?

In either case, this is not an exlcusive competitive format. It is there to celebrate a Holiday, and I'd assume; that means everyone should feel welcomed, right? Everyone did afterall pay the same amount of money for it so no one should be getting rolled all the time just b/c there's better players out there. Are you the best player in the game? What if everyone else could easily roll you again and again until you rage quit as well? Or would you never give up? I've heard this argument before and it doesn't wash. Like it or not, Anet added more Randomness; and Randomness is injected into every good pvp game on the market for a reason: You need customers to keep coming back by making them feel welcome in as much of the content as you can manage. And there can't be nearly as many repeat customers if the better players gang up on them every single time until they quit before getting better.

Smoke and mirrors. An illusion. They give you something to detract from whats really happening. In this case, they didn't fix anything. They just made you think they did.

And everyone is welcome. I never heard once that people were going to stop playing last year because they kept getting facerolled by teams. Quitters never win.

I met more people last year who kept playing and playing, many of whom celebrated on my teams when they won. And guess what as they played, they got better. Omg a miracle right? No just practice. Anyone who goes in quits after 5 or 10 losses should lose their right to complain.

The only real reason most people didn't like last years CB is because sins were clearly OP. But that doesn't mean other classes weren't viable. Monks, Rits, Eles, Mesmers, and even Necros were viable classes. Granted you still needed at least 1 Sin to contend because they were just that strong. Irregardless, balance was more of an issue last year than syncing. I mean if you know a class is underpowered, why bother playing it? You are only gimping yourself when you your giving pre-set builds. I realize that people like to play certain classes and have "fun", but if you playing a class and your consistently dying versus all other classes, why are you still playing that class? Its clearly not helping your team.

Repeat customers? Lol. I mean i know Anet is milking the whole casual gamer crap. But I'm pretty sure they didn't lose any customers because of the mass sync'ers everyone keeps claiming they fought, which it being way blown out of proportion.

In fact Costume Brawl is arguably the most favorite holiday arena game.

Jessyi · Oct 25, 2010, 06:11 AM // 06:11

So in other words...

Syncing drives away the noobs, and team scramble drives away the skilled.

Oh god ANet please change it back. plzplzplz.

Aji Moto · Oct 25, 2010, 07:16 PM // 19:16

I believe that the incidence of syncing is also greatly exaggerated in the holiday pvp events. In the old CB format (as well as in snowball and even dragon arena), it was common to see people who lost to other teams accuse them of syncing without any logical reason for it.

irundroks · Oct 25, 2010, 09:51 PM // 21:51

is it just me or are others getting insane lag?
i mean, i've been playing this game for 4 years with 100-200 average ping. i get on today, and in cb i get 4k average ping. it got so bad that one game i found myself in their base autoattacking at a mob 15 secs later, when i was chasing one of them.

Guy Incognito · Oct 25, 2010, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Ya, I had massive lag spikes of 5k on Sunday, but today it's been fine for me. Dunno whats going on there.

Ken Dei · Oct 26, 2010, 01:14 AM // 01:14

This is all a moot point since the Ranger Build has asserted itself as the dominant build.. 3 Rangers+ against a team with less and/or no monk. GG.

Seriously, it's devolved into Cripple, Burn, Dodge, Repeat till everything's dead. Ranger Build needs adjusting, OR, all the other skill bars...

Also...worst Warrior Bar Ever....who in their right mind goes into a random style arena fight with NO defensive stances whatsoever?

EDIT: Despite my issues with the skills. Kudos to the Krewe for their hard work. As always love the costumes and general idea.